Thursday, August 6, 2009

This Weekend's Forestry Tasmania Northern Premier League Games

Somerset
Riverside Olympic
Cardigan Street
Saturday 14:30
Prospect Knights
Launceston City
Harley Parade
Saturday 14:30
Launceston United
Devonport City
Birch Avenue
Saturday 14:30
Northern Rangers
Ulverstone
NTCA
Saturday 16:00

66 comments:

  1. Think the Northern Rangers v Ulverstone game has been transferred to Ulverstone due to NTCA ground conditions? *unconfirmed

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  2. Confirmed Mitch NTCA ground shut until Monday night, instead of rescheduling we rang Rudy and decided to head to the showgrounds.

    Womens rescheduled for Sunday 1230pm at Ulvie.

    Cya on the weekend.

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  3. Birch Avenue also closed according to FFT Website.

    RP - were Mitsubishi Park or Riverside an option for the game?

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  4. Didnt really consider another Lonnie option, bvit hard to organised with other clubs when playing somewhere else. We obviously dont want to lose a hame game but consider it a better option than a cancellation

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  5. Yep saw Birch was shut which surprised me, wonder what they will do there will they go to Devonport I wonder? Weather played havoc with grounds this season, worst for 10 seasons I would have thought

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  6. Yeah, they are going to have to try and play the Lton Utd/Devonport game somewhere as they are running out of weeks.

    The South have their last catchup game tonight so they will be ready with their top 4 for the 29th of August.

    How are Devonport's lights? Could they play the Burnie match midweek and the Utd game on the 22nd?

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  7. Or maybe Devonport could play Burnie this Saturday as they have the bye (short notice I know for Burnie)

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  8. I am staggered at all of the game closures, back in the "good old days" we played in ankle deep bog or on totally water logged pitches? The only game that I remember being ever called off was at Montello when there was a really bad fog (3m visibility) and I shoved the ball under my shirt and ran the length of the ground to score? The ref didn't see my goal and couldn't find the ball :)

    Anyway, my weekly tips area as follows:_

    Sharks in a must win game against the fastest and strongest midfield of Riverside 1 - 0 (I hope)

    Knights 1 - 0 against City in the Launnie Derby

    Devonport 5 - 0 against the Duffy boys

    Rangers 2 - 0 against a much improved Ulvie outfit

    The big question will be, when all the catch up games will be played, and will those who don't gain from it even bother???

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  9. When clubs want final 4 series and no free days are allowed for any postponed games this is the result.FFT have to be aware that availability of grounds in the south and in the Launc. area are run by councils and not the clubs.There is a different situation on the Northwest.So may I say to the northern clubs that if their grounds are not in good condition then they travel to the NW instead like Rangers are doing and may be we should allow for postponed games in the future.
    Clubs pay a lot of money to FFT so I think they should start taking responsibility

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  10. Any tips this week guys, or are you all stunned by the women's blog comments
    :)

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  11. Somerset 2-1
    Knights 3-0
    Devonport 7-0
    Rangers 3-0

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  12. According to FFT web site Lton Utd are going to Valley Rd. Was chatting to a Dport palyeer via email yesterday and he said their ground is struggling with the wettest winter in many a season!

    If valley road is OK then it is the right move however, games do need to be played far better than a double header weekend or putting the final series back.

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  13. sharks / river close game...but both struggling to get the ball into the onion bag recently...0-0 draw??? (first one of the yr?)

    knights / city always close and no different this wkend in the wet. Knights too good

    Dev......put your house on it!

    Ulvie too good at home...Gers, shoulda rescheduled! Stiff guys, big effort - best side on paper but....season over...all the best in the statewide cup and state finals...no league title in 09

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  14. hahahah.thats a good one mate

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  15. Northern Rangers 3 Ulverstone 0
    Prospect Knights 3 L'Ton City 1

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  16. did i hear right....River 5 / Sharks 0 (????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????)

    Gr8 win if true! Deserved top 4 spot to River on that performance...or am i just far too gullible???

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  17. Yes twang you are right.have been talking to the Northjwest a few minutes ago.5-0 at half time and no scores after that.

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  18. Is there now tanking in the NPL? Somerset would of had 3 weeks to wait to play in Hobart :)

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  19. Looks like rangers and Ulvie have an unwritten agreement.3 games this season and if my memory serves me right all ended with the same result...3-0 or am I wrong Red Bull!
    As for the Sharks what can I say except for the fact that since Bad Boy had to give up coaching they have gone to the packs.
    There is always next year for the 3 coastal teams.

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  20. Twang, I guess that is why we have one of the best committees in the state mate! we knew full well our record at Ulverstone, and the record they hold at the NTCA, it only made snece to go down there to play on a pitch that was nothing short of outstanding given the rain of late!

    Guess Im putting my balls on the line by sticking one up ya, but we are very much alive, and if we are unsuccessful next week, no one will see me until KGV at 5pm on Saturday week any way so.... LMBAS mate, LMBAS!!!

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  21. and Logan you are spot on my friend! 3 games, and three 3-0 wins all at the show grounds! thaks Ruudy!

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  22. Captain Aus,
    You have made me laugh all year, so well done.
    Anyone would actually think you play in the Senior team for the Rangers with how much you go on and on.
    Look i think your guys will win the league, but your influence is best suited to taking photos and living for the Northern Soccer League which is so a big think in life and all...
    Keep living through your Senior team members, it has given us blokes in the North a good laugh.

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  23. Rain forcast all this week, so im guessing its gonna be a sludge fest at the NTCA this weekend!

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  24. My congratulations to Devonport on securing the Reserve Title also. Great come back after a slow start to the year. Deserve the title too.

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  25. LMBAS??? I'm not up with the "lingo" sorry...anyone help me here?

    So, a couple of my tips were wrong this wk, as i said...excellent win by River and I thought wrong about Ulvies desire to shape the top4 an influence who are this yrs premiers.

    Gunna stand by one of my other tips tho...Dev for the league! I don't think that when the title's on the line against a quality Dev side that the Gers have the mongrel to make it a contest (even with another good run from the blokes/women controlling the game)...I will say that one Gers player has it in him but he's from elsewhere originally...

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  26. Twang - Think it's a bit unfair to suggest Ulverstone don't have the 'desire' to get up over Rangers. Most who understand this game would agree that there are a number of elements required to achieve victory - one of which is desire which Ulverstone have displayed consistently throughout the year. Sometimes in a contest the better team wins!

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  28. anyways back to the soccer please share your own highlights of the 2009 npl season:
    my favorite moment was rangers vs knights at ntca with rangers up 1 nil. knights are still whinging about something/anything
    when they score with a cracker of a hit. the ref makes them retake it as his turned away to tell several knights players to stop complaining. rangers win 3 nil

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  29. bit harsh johnnywad
    however Mitch I wouldn't take too much notice of anything twang says..he doesn't make that much sense most of the time.

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  30. love reading the brillant insight of twang

    im sure the game will actually be a close contest. wonder who will be reffing?

    i thought rangers have been quite good at it in most games this year twang? but obviously from a knights perspective thats not going in hard for the ball but complaining about every single decision on the field (hence why you think that rangers or other teams get a good run with the refs). To tell you the truth knights probably do get a hard run from the refs - its only human nature to hate/adjudge against people that are arrogant whinging softcocks. sorry not soft cause they always mouth off about how hard and tough they are.

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  31. that's a bit harsh orlando....you seem to have changed your name johnywad

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  32. Cheers Hugo

    Seems a flimsy argument to assess someone's character, commitment and knowledge based on the colour of the shirt they wear - especially if the shirt happens to be that of opposing teams! Unfortunately it's quite common. It's quite refreshing to find that there are some opposing players who are actually good, decent people - despite playing for the enemy!

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  33. Thats gold, in a nut shell!!!!

    why is it that that every time you have a crack Twang you alter ego pops up to back you up? you have had so many chances to give it to me directly in person but you never do?

    David Mitchell, I'll back you up, Ulvie have got the passion, just miss directed by a few blokes at times, one in particular could have been sent off in all three games, if he had of stayed on the park this week, you might have got back in the match, even at 2-0 against 10 men I was never comfortable! keep em together next year and its a promising year on the way mate!

    Chris Mckenna, how did Dev hold up on the weekend (ground that is?) Ackers showed me the sms, doubt the covers will go down this week as there needs to be sufficient sunshine to dry the pitch a bit for it to have an effect, cant see that happening with the beauro predicting rain for the next 27 of 18 days a higher than 75% chance! Bring your ultra studs or snow boots for this one!

    Memory of the year? Twang being so offended by our report on our website then the highlights package proving us justified!

    May not have steped on the park for a senior start yet twang or shano or what ever you want to be called, by I have sat on the bench 16 times patiently incase the rock goes down, and I dont mind playing second fiddle to the number one in the state, and will be happy if he keeps me out all year! some people dont play for them self but the club.

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  34. couldn't agree more Mitch, I have got people who I consider mates from all sorts of 'enemy teams' From all 4 Northwest clubs, Launy clubs and now even in the South. And it's nice to see some people can leave a club to play for another club and still be mates with their old team mates
    I don't know why some people get so passionate about hating all people who play for a different team.

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  35. my comment regarding rain should have read 27 of 28 days not 18 as written!

    I love ya Hugo!!! even if ya did play for Burnie!!!! haha

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  36. just changed it to my favorite actor hugo

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  37. Captain, Valley Road held up quite well considering all the rain we had last week. It helped playing the Ressies game on the back pitch. No unders game was played because Launceston couldn't get enough players. Our Womens team played on there yesterday too. More rain forecast this week which isn't too promising for any ground.

    Now correct me if I'm wrong, someone tried to tell me on Saturday that when our Div 1 side played at the NTCA, if the ball was kicked into the centre wicket area a free kick was given to the other team?? Please tell me that's not true!! I told this person that they were full of it!! Hopefully that rule isn't implemented this weekend!!

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  38. Good to see the forum on fire...makes it interesting.Welcome my friend Hugo and we need new participants as we seem to have ]hopefully]temporary lost the Shark boys.
    A sugestion to clubs with water logged grounds...THERE IS ALWAYS THAT GROUND ON TOP OF WINDY HILL IN BURNIE that never lets you down.So, Captain and Chris have that in mind!!!
    I may watch your ghame on Saturday if at home or else will watch Burnie beat the Reds!!!Come on Red Bull have a bite.make it interesting

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  39. This Shark still around Logan my friend, I figured out who you were a couple of weeks back, injuries aside it certainly wasn't one of the Sharks best seasons and i didnt help the lads by pulling out mid season? I think that they may struggle next year with the 3 Hobart boys returning to South and a couple going to Uni and maybe several retirements, but hey all clubs have highs and lows and need to re-group and blood some young guns ready to rise again?

    As for next weeks big clash, hopefully the conditions dont determine the premiers and best of luck to both teams, well deserved whoever gets up :)

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  40. I know it's a few weeks away yet, but FFT have posted that both the South Hobart v 4th NPL (Riverside) and Hobart Zebras v 3rd NPL (Prospect) will take place at KGV on 29/8. No times mentioned yet.

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  41. Chris, the Div one game and the free kicks is true! haha sorry to say!

    Hugo... agreed! i guess those that change teams will be the ones that realise it the most! no use hating people, a bit of white line fever is ok but yeah.

    The North rep team is really good as far as getting to know opponents well (and beating the south)! helped me to decide which team to move to! ;)

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  42. Glad some ppl are enjoying the lighter side of 'Northern Football'!

    Fair call Dave…maybe desire wasn’t the word I was looking for there…I’m sometimes not as eloquent as I’d like to be. I’ve been on the receiving end of two good performances (and losses) at the hands of a pretty handy Ulv team… just thought they’d have the edge over the Ger’s after 2 pretty close contests so far this yr (scores flattering the Ger’s – so I’ve heard)

    LMBAS…still in the dark on that one?????

    Donk – I have a crack on here coz I enjoy stirring shit! Anyone who knows me, knows that! Unlike you, I don’t go on here to personally attack anyone’s character…of which you seem to have very little anyway! (ok, so there’s a personal dig – a shit stirrer and a walking contradiction!) Who’s the “alter ego” backing me up?

    And…..I don’t ‘give it to you’ in person because I thought we were all on the same page and didn’t take the ‘sly digs’ on here too seriously…obviously I was wrong! Bahaha…. Plus, apart from the rubbish you write, you do a good job for your club and for the game…I’m not gunna bag that!

    Moving on, Orlando…not sure who you think you are pal, but get a grip…on reality…and off your d@#k. Every half decent sporting team has a hint of arrogance and I haven’t played against one team that doesn’t appeal for free’s and dispute decisions. Call us soft tho, that’s a good one, it really stings!

    Highlight for the yr….having 5% of possession against the boys from NTCA and sharing the points at home…piss-funny!

    Best players played against this yr – Rob Hughes and Tom Roach….But have either played enough matches to win the George Dale? Oh, haven't played Dev this yr but Mulraney must be gettin a few kicks by the look of the goal scoring table...

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  43. Chris McKenna,

    Dont know the story for the div one boys, but club ref did it in the womens game and both coaches agreed to it! not sure why it was implemented in the div one game! no need realy, grown men can surely run through the mud! we will be this weekend!

    On a serious note, best moment on the 2009 season and not to have a dig at the Set boys, but Burnie getting the wood over their arch rivals sharks. amazed how a team can lift for games that carry so much pride, loads of talk in the spas tonight with the Ranger lads, I just hope we can emu-late their efforts!!!

    sounds like Dev are getting a supporters bus to go down, and I assume a few ranger faithful to come out of the wood work this week!

    Should be a great day, hope the night is too!

    Will just say this before I go into my shell, Good luck Chris and the boys, may the best team win and win it on their own accord, with out a referee's influence!

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  44. Twang,

    Is it true Knights are trying to get gamed moved to early KO this week? dont think FFT can allow it though as a result of Soccer pools in UK

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  45. oh sorry twang didnt realise you were the only one that could take the piss. i just thought i should reply after reading the constant shit you have dribbled this year.

    just shows the loser attitude of you and your club being happy with a draw at home against a team with no heart/mongrel or whatever you want to call it? no wonder your club hasnt won anything or ever come close to it. Then you have the nerve to claim another club lacks passion or desire?

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  46. i think its best we leave LMBAS in the dark!!

    Cant wait for the game or will it be a slog on saturday Chris!!! going to be HUGE!!!

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  47. clearly too many sensitive people on here orlando, but we seem to be blessed to have you to let us know how we should act, and respond. this blog as i understand was set up for all points of view, not to act as a vehicle to feed certain persons egos.maybe i shouldnt say that.

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  48. My highlight this year...finding out that burnie were beating dev 1-0. my lowlight....finding out that sasa called the game off! Good thing he's a good fella!;)

    Good luck to all teams on the weekend. Up the Gers!!!

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  49. Funk & Captain,
    It sounds like we will be in for a sludgefest on Saturday. Best of luck to your lads. Either way we'll have a cold one or two after the game - win, lose or draw.

    My highlight for the year was another Northern victory over the south!!! Well done fellas, was gutted I couldn't be a part of it.

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  50. Yeah saw that Gremlin so South Hobart will play Riverside (well done to them good 2nd half of year) and Zebras will play Prospect.

    Rangers and Devonport both to host a final up North one against Glenorch (2nd NPL) and one against either Clarence or Kingborough

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  51. Good luck to Rangers and Devonport, great to see the title go down to the wire again.

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  52. really thats great beckham well done. i thought thats what i was doing sharing my point of view lightheartedly with my mate twang here as we obviously have some contrasting thoughts on each others clubs.

    its good to know you feel blessed to have me but maybe you should go to some english comprehension classes cause your actually the one trying to tell people how to act/respond.help yourself out and dont contradict yourself genius

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  53. And to make it more interesting I would suggest that if DEv.-Rangers game ends up a draw then I would suggest to the President and the likes to become Burnie members for a short time.I would rather ask them to have a go at M,F..ck the ref who sent Ashley Smith off rather unjustly and also added in his report that Ashley was slow leaving the field of play,
    with the player ended up getting a mandatory 3 matcth suspension..What a joke as I was there watching this game.Looks to me that these days if Bert Liotta was still around he could be a ref as well.Having said that I would also give a lot of credit to The 2 Davids from the N.W. who did a very reasonable job every game I saw them Officiating.Good luck for both teamd but my vote goes to the Port.
    Bad Boy you may think that you know who I am and you could be right but I would not be so sure.However let us enjoy the fun.

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  54. Hey Logan

    Many stories of 'unfair' and 'unjust' decisions by the men in black (or red, yellow) but without them the games don't get played.Sounds like one of those for 'Bones' unfortunately. Yeah I know - seems strange coming from me! But positive ideas and solutions are what's required. I liked the idea that Juan put forward regarding recruiting and training club officials and allowing them to officiate games - maybe with an alternative 'central' official?
    I have a great memory from 'back in the day' from Ulverstone. Joe McGrory walking off at half time after a particularly puzzling effort from the ref said to the ref (in his lilting Irish accent) 'Ref can you get a yellow card for thinking? - the Ref said 'no' to which Joe replied ' Well I think your a F@%^ING dickhead".

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  55. I have to agree with you Mitchell what ever you say we need to support refs and try to get more young ones and ex players involved as it is a hindernace on our game.

    I will dread it, if we have to supply a club ref for this weekends blockbuster at the NTCA. Cant have a club official having a say in such a big game. Hope FFT are reading this.

    But overall clubs need to be proactive in promoting refereeing as an alternative participation path within our game. We at Rangers ran a 2 day course for all the people involved in our 6 a side comp and hopefully this will lead some to continue down this path in the future. Think Riverside have done the same!

    However abusing them does not help (lets be honest we have all done it). Logan I here you but until we get a bigger pool of refs we wont get an improvement. This is an FFT problem but just as much a club problem. Something for all of us to think about over the summer.

    Ps good to see Mark Spicer back

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  56. Mr President
    I do agree with what you and my friend Mitch are saying but should we allow police or politicians or doctors or any other breed to get out of control because we need them?That ref was not abused at the ground and constructive criticism is necessary in all aspects when it is needed.
    And by saying criticism I do not meen abusing refs on the field of play.We all make mistakes including the refs but hey..some of them are willfull mistakes and they should be pointed out.Having a ref doing his first senior game without an assesor does not look good to me.
    It may be an FFT problem but it is the clubs and players that have to pay the penalty.I have to also agree that it is good to see Spencer back who as I remember used to be one of the best.[don't let me down Spency].
    Best of luck.

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  57. Logan yes I agree that if a referee, just like a player is "out of control" then this needs to be bought to FFTs attention formally and without biase. If this is ignored it becomes an issue for club presidents to discuss and brought up at a meeting. FFT do have to handle issues raised by clubs and report back on their actions.

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  58. Having been a club and association president as well as a referee, I will simply say that I believe one answer to the referees problem is to DOUBLE their pay.
    Clubs get it too cheap for what they expect from an official.
    I beleive that we would attract a lot of younger people if it was sufficiently viable for them to make a living from it.
    To ask a ref to leave home at 7am, travel to launceston to be there at 9am to do a ground inspection, to ref an Under 18 then run 2 lines and leave at 5pm to travel home for 7pm and for about $160 for his 12 hour day, is a joke.
    I know how hard it is for clubs to raise money but the gate should cover the majority of referees costs if AVERAGED over the year.
    So a club should expect to pay around $800 each saturday for 3 referees, all day.
    It is then up to clubs to make up shortfalls with raffles etc.

    In turn we could then expect these refs to attend their own training and education sessions regularly and be available to clubs for education nights etc.

    I imagine the money will attract a few but really to be a referee you need a certain temperement and I'm sure that the unsuitable ones would be weeded out pretty quickly.

    We have to do something Harry and the 2 Davids are all over 65 and cannot keep doing Premier League forever.

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  59. Hi all,

    just a thought or two, i suppose from the inside :)

    nigel, a lot of what you say makes complete sense, especially re temperament. it really is not for everyone, and it shows by our numbers. I see where you're going with the finances too. I mean, when you see a match fee for a senior official at first it looks pretty imposing. But that does not take into account time spent travelling, training, attending meetings, arranging paperwork etc...but honestly, i still think the current pay is good enough. the problem is finding more refs (duh)...and i see lots of calls for older/retired players to take it up...the problem is, apart from the odd saint, most guys that have played long enough have had run ins with refs, been disillusioned and would not feel right taking it up.
    Another issue is advertising. the only ad for "refs required" i ever saw was on the back of programs you get with entry into games. Completely pointless. i mean, you look at the ad, and then look up and see the treatment a ref may get on the day (you hear the crowd more on the sidelines). and then you ask yourself "do i want to be that guy?". we all know the answer to that. unfortunately, the abuse is there, not likely to go away either. but instead of focusing on the worst aspect of the referee's job, ads can be used to expose other useful traits you can pick up, such as leadership, teamwork, decision making all whilst keeping fit. all theses things would look good on a resume. now, we have a human movement and an excercise science courses run at utas, all full of fit young persons that are low-on-cash students. i have approached fft, asking them to just design a basic flyer we can distribute around, with no response. most people have a basic concept of football, and the intro courses are pretty good to set them on their way, then assign a more experienced ref as a mentor to show them the ins and outs (mine was Mike Pel). The truth is, i appreciate the job that club persons do when they pick up the flag, and many of the games i have been involved could not have gone ahead without them. but they (most of the time) would rather be watching their team play, and this avenue is commonly used when introducing new refs to the game. Now,when i was coaching utas last year we never got more than a centre (lol) so i'm not sure if fft charges per ref or per match, so there still may be an increase in cost to the clubs.
    anyone care to shed some light?

    Sash

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  60. Sash, Hear what your saying, I have been around most of the older players/retireees in the area and I get 1 of 2 answers..1- I am carrying injuries from playing days and could not get fit enough to do it. 2- I am enjoying playing social league so maybe later.
    eg; Devonport has a team in Div 1 that is going to the masters games etc all these guys would be great referees but they still want to play.
    Somerset has a local social roster with 2 somerset and 1 Ulverstone team, half of these guys could be referees.
    We need younger people who struggle to make a living and could be attracted to the income and pathways that refereeing could offer.

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  61. We cannot expect clubs to "give up" these social league players and older club members.
    Refereeing has to be more attractive.
    In the 2 years I reffed I don't recall ever doing a Somerset game so this meant I never got to watch MY club play.
    We cannot expect old club members to walk away from watching and supporting their club, we need to attract people who haven't developed such strong ties to a club but love the game of soccer.

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  62. it is a poor situation to be in Nigel, that's for sure...and i see why people would rather stick to social league. i was playing for rangers till last year (with not much success, if we're honest :) ...and cred to the boys, they never make you feel bad for leaving the club...we do need both players and refs

    that social roster did look like a blast...i took utas girls there last year for the last game of the season and had the opportunity to watch some of it...was actually the first time i had seen ricky eaves play since we were at hellyer, and his duel with Rudy (Ulv)was even honours and entertaining too. in '99 we had a similar setup, as the clubs wouldn't travel to launceston (cost etc)...so there was us, ulv, 'port, somerset and i think an el salvadorian team...now, playing them was a hoot every time as i'm sure you remember. didn't you run around in this setup too..?

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  63. David Mitchel..did Joe get a card for telling the ref what he was thinking?
    Nigel...just in case you get carried away..we are talking about the Tas NPL and not the english PL.I am sure having the credentials you mentioned you would be aware of the costs of running a club and that some clubs are just surviving because they are heavily milked by the admirals in the south for which we get nothing but a roster and sometimes you have to justify yourself for calling it a roster.They get money from the government and from sponsors for the sport provided by the clubs.
    So why don't the clubs and the refs body try and make the Ali Baba to pay at least travelling costs for the refs.The justification of increasing pay was used many times in the past and acted upon but nothing came out of it.The refs do it because of the love of it and the ego and glory that goes with the job and not the money,as, the few I know are well off financially and do not really count on this part.They may get abused during the game but once that is over,like Bert used to say..Jesus loves you baby and we had a beer and a joke with them...and ofcourse nicely pointed out their ...mistakes.
    Soap I think you have some good ideas but let us be honest..clubs and their administrators are always busy looking after their own interests and let the next person sort it out.

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  64. i hope you didn't misunderstand me Logan...the fft does provide some travel cost, about enough to cover petrol...i was referring to time spent in car (a while for hobart trips)

    as for the admins looking after their own, can't really blame them...when you go flying they say to put your breathing mask on first, and then assist others...i suppose you need to look after your own (and thats flat out from what i've seen) before you can look further on

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  65. I do understand where you are coming from Soap.the point I am trying to make is that FFt should help more to encourage and recruit refs up the Northern part of Tassie which they seem to remember only for tax collecting reasons.They put the onus on clubs to find officials and I would like to know if the other football code expect the same from their clubs...but frankly I do not think so.
    Clubs in the North are not working together but underneath are divided by small ...favours done to every one of them by FFT.
    throw a small piece of bait in the sea and you catch a big fish..Better sign off and go to bed now as I have a busy day tomorrow and looks like I will be watching the game at the NTCA on Saturday.

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